MMBM Rules Announcement

The so-called "borderline" case of constructive criticism, in a case where I have truly nothing positive to say, I don't want this giving me *more* warning.

@rc which is exactly the goal of those posts

Agreed 100% with nobody

IMO, there should be a new rule created that prevents people with less than a certain number of posts or who has contributed nothing to the community (levels, codes etc) from viewing or posting in the MBMM board

also, I find nobody's "GET OUT" post perfectly justafiable as thats what almost eveyone wanted to say but he had the guts to say it!

Just my 2 cents worth

Kurt

nobody if that link really was a virus then you certainly had a right to call it out and thus your warning isn't warranted at all. We've gotta check out the link first.

Nobody, if no one has anything positive to say about a topic, they shouldn't post it. They shouldn't even FORCE themselves to post "compliments". If they don't like it they shouldn't post. This way mod creators will know that they're not given good comments because no one really pays attention anymore. Meaning, they have to improve.

That said, you should also be posting constructive criticism, something you rarely do. So the blanket practically covers you who are currently prominent about that; others may be but I don't see them popping their heads over as much.
FYI, Pablo slowed down/stopped on being negative and that's way before this post-- you should learn from him (this also answers Rokoshu's post). I didn't even bother to post to begin with, something I suggested to you already.

If you had told me before about the virus link (tbh I had suspicions but I was like 'meh' since the member did register 1.5 months ago so I figured otherwise) then I would've taken faster action-- the 10% is because of the GET OUT comment which didn't have anything else in it when you originally posted (and I viewed). I was instantly pissed off by the 'GET OUT' and didn't think twice like you haven't (because lets be honest, just about every mod here you hate and have been negative to the original creator so I took it the same here, so you got nothing to complain about to begin with as it's really your fault). I'm removing the warning but next time I see something like that (especially in topics without 'viruses') expect a heavy penalty. I've warned you way too many times now.

Additionally, you wrote that "...not receive suggestions or guidance on what to do next, or how to plan out their mod... helpful advice will become very difficult to give.".
I'd like to make sure you realise that you never give helpful advice to them, you only post negative comments to begin with. Regarding how to plan a mod, there are a lot of posts in the sticked topic and that covers it, if people can't read, their problem; we ignore them. You can link to it if you want, but repeating whats been said 100 times is pointless and derails the thread.
Suggestions/guidance are welcome (did you ever try "This looks way too much like MBU textures just inverted in colors; we really recommend you to make your own textures"? thought not) but I don't recall the last time you gave something like that.

tl;dr: what I always told you: ignore everything. Can't? you need to learn a valuable life lesson then.


"This is pretty much the only beneficial part of the rule." - thank you, I said in the council we need to mention that. Failed mods that release stuff get positive comments and respect from this community, which then leads them to remain by making levels seeing as they managed that successfully.

Kurt: this isn't possible on proboards.


The original purpose of this board was to welcome any mod, good or bad. The fact it's degrading by the presence of dozens of "your mod sucks" that every topic begins with (even Opal) reflects badly on this community, and reflects in the opposite way than Ian's blog post. If anything you should be thinking that you should quit viewing this board or just view specific topics (I rarely view the spam board, so this shows such things are possible).

I agree that people should be complimenting any new mods, mod creators will surely feel supported and hence work better on the mod if they receive positive comments. Everyone wants to be praised and none of them want to be told that their mods will fail. I therefore support this rule and hopefully it will allow future mods to be more long-lasting and more of them can be successfully released to the public.

But what if the mod itself is an obvious failure? What if the creator simply says "I'm making a new mod and it will be the best even though I have no pictures, plans, knowledge, or anything required to make it!" Are people going to cheer that person on, wearing fake smiles, just pretending to be enthusiastic? That sounds more like a forced kind of rule which I think is unfair. If people obviously don't know what they're doing and people are just cheering them on, how in the world are they ever supposed to get better?

If the mod has any plans whatsoever, then supporting it is fine with me. But if the mod is just an obvious failure, cheering it on is as good as trying to feed a dead animal cheese.

No one asked you to cheer, the rules don't ask you to cheer either. Simply ignore the post and don't reply to it. I did that easily for a couple of mods (some are now dead). I don't see whats your (or nobody's) problem in just holding it in and not pressing the reply button.

You sound like you're fine with the entire flame war that happened when MBOpal started when Nobody was just anti-Opal (and still was for a long time) and there was a fight back and forth. Opal made it through and I supported it from day 1. If nobody hasn't posted, we wouldn't have a fight and Opal would still survive.

Edit: you also personally attacked Pablo, stating he was a demotivator of mods. However this, this , this, and this show no posts from him. This one and this one prove that he didn't say anything bad either. In fact, the "put 1000 hours and your mod may turn out well" is a lot better than Nobody's posts and surely you'd agree with that. No flames, no nasty negativity (even though there's slight negativity) and definitely no screaming anywhere. Obviously if Pablo can do it (and he's a definite master at hating all mods out there, especially "n00b" mods), so can you. What is the problem that you can't?

Edit 2: Sorry if it sounds attacking or anything. I'm simply curious as I've never met something like that before and I wonder what motive lies behind it and hopefully be able to come into an agreement that both parties would be happy with.

IMO, I think people should be able to say your mod fails if you can't take that, then you can't take being a mod leader. It's all part of being a mod leader your going to get it, better right away then when your half way thought then you quit cause you find your not strong enough to lead.

It's the same thing with MBE, when Ian put that MBE site up awhile ago and he gave everyone some pics people we're trying to help him make MBE better, but he got mad and removed the site. Also Jeff with MBO was getting really annoyed at Matan, he kept telling me on googletalk how annoying he was. I had to convince him that Matan knows what's best because he made a mod, now he's ok with Matan telling him to fix stuff(I think ).

exactly marble2, just ask ian, myself, or greg25 on how much heat we got. But, we take it, its part of my job to suck it up and take the heat.

I am sorry if I offened anybody with my "your mod will fail" posts (i think i only did 1).

But, what about Freedom of Speech!!! if your not saying anything inappropriate, whats the big deal? (note:this is not directed towards pablo )

I know I told him, that freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want anywhere. Just because you can't post something on a forum doesn't violate that right because you can still say it, just not here. Same with TV there are certain words you can't say(at least in the US don't know about other places), but that's not violating free speech because you can say those words other places. It's mainly to protect you from the government stopping you from speaking out against it, and another thing some countries DON'T let you do it and this is the internet not everyone is from the US anyways.

Good descision.

The purpose of these set of guidelines again was to not discourage members from interactive with aspiring mod developers.

In fact, it's exactly the opposite. Matan, Pablo, Myself, and several other staff members were sick of reading the same, discouraging posts under every Marble Blast Mods thread, each one with the same users posting the same responses.

This is considered spamming the forums, where you express the same statement repeatedly in multiple replies or threads. It's no different than someone triple posting, or someone responding with multiple one-word responses. It is unprofessional, and will not be tolerated by the staff.

The Marble Blast Community aims for a safe and positive environment, and the Council feels that the constant negative posts in the mods section of the forums were bringing down the morale of the forums as a whole. The users creating these responses may also be in violation of our forum rules, in the sense that negative remarks are an act of harassment. In response, we've decided to set up these guidelines to help 'clean up' this chunk of the forums.

Again, let me make this point very clear - we WANT you to express your opinions, no matter what they may be. Do you not like Soandso's Mod? Okay, that's your own opinion. You are also free to express your opinion to the forums, just be prepared to back up your opinion and explain WHY you dislike the mod. Providing positive feedback is essential to the development and improvement of an aspiring mod. Simply stating, "This mod sucks." does not help any developer pinpoint what exactly needs to be changed to appeal to the public.

So, Final recap: Yes, you have freedom of speech. Yes, you may post whatever you please. However, if you post short, unintelligent responses, with intent of harm, action will be taken against you.

Write whatever you please, but make sure you have evidence to back up your opinions and be prepared to defend your argument intellectually, and not come across as a bunch of fifth graders fighting over the basketball during recess.

~Aayrl

Well said Aayrl. You can't say "x is rubbish" without saying why. "I don't like x because [insert reason here]" and could add on "you could improve by doing y or z"

Of course, you could not post at all. No one make you to.