MBE (Marble Blast Elite) [DEMO RELEASED]

Well crap. That sucks.

(Lamp) Well is it still their game if we remake the core files?

Yes, since this is Marble Blast. If this is Marble Blast, this is copyrighted by law. If this was a completely different game (e.g. SMB, Marble Madness, Project Ascent), then it wouldn't be a problem.

So, If we waited to do this and then remade all the core files it would be okay.

No, what it means is that you can't. What you're trying to do is Marble Blast, same game we're currently playing. This is not allowed.

Super Monkey Ball is basically a monkey (in a marble) and the levels even if they sound Marble Blast-y, have no powerups, have some hazards and the biggest difference: you use a controller to move the levels themselves in order to get the monkey to the finish. It has additional features (like bananas) that are not in MB. It's different enough to be a completely different game than MB, thus the two do not collide.

Marble Madness is an old game, worry not about it.

Project Ascent is a more modern game, but is less about Marble Blast. ShadowMarble had to talk to the legal team with GG before they decided on whats fine and what isn't so that there is not copyright issues.

What you want is basically same game as we got now, with the same powerups and stuff, same level design and all.. basically you got Marble Blast written all over it. And that's illegal.

Ah well that sucks. Too bad...

wut? you didn't code the MP by yourself?

No we aren't allowed to make the platform that could support it. I have it coded. It just will crash the game.

Wait a sec.

Suppose you remake the core files, really really well. Well enough so that it will behave just like MBG. Then, it's your game. Sure, it is just like MBG. But the game is still yours, you coded it, even though the idea belongs to someone else. I don't think they have patented MB... You could release them as open source, and I don't think anyone could say anything.

Yes but, the game theme is copyrighted by G.G.

The theme? If you make your's monotone and uncartoony wouldn't that be different? Sucks that you can't.

No the Theme in this case is the marble rolling around with start and end pads and powerups, basicly.

Well, there are plenty of other games that are exactly like that which I know...

I think you should (somehow) delete the powerups, because youre useing a speedyfloor and multiple bouncyfloors. I'm not sure about the startpad and endpads though.

Well we will do what is right for the mod and I will work something out.

OK, Matan you are wrong. I could basically remake MB, just so long as I didn't use any assets from MB. So if I wrote all of the code, and created all of the art and sounds and levels and everything else, it would be legal, even if it was basically MB...

It is however illegal to decompile MB.

So basically you're saying that modding off of MB changing core files IS illegal, however starting from scratch but basically writing everything as MB IS legal... Right? If that's true, then wouldn't that make MB modding illegal? I'm sorry if this is a noobish question, but I just don't get what a core file really is and why it's illegal to decompile it...

~ Tech Warrior

A core file is a file that the game depends on. Not that the other files can be deleted.

May 30, 2011, 12:25pm, helpme wrote:OK, Matan you are wrong. I could basically remake MB, just so long as I didn't use any assets from MB. So if I wrote all of the code, and created all of the art and sounds and levels and everything else, it would be legal, even if it was basically MB...

It is however illegal to decompile MB.

Oh really? Because according to the license agreement:


Quote:MARBLEBLAST
End User License Agreement (EULA)

This Software Licensing Agreement (Agreement) is a legal agreement between you and
GarageGames.com, Inc. (´GarageGames´). These are the only terms by which GarageGames permits
any use of the Software.

GarageGames Licensing Agreement for Marble Blast.

1. The Software.
The Software licensed under this Agreement is the computer program entitled ´Marble Blast´,
which consists of executable files, data files, and documentation.

2. Grant of License.
GarageGames grants you the nontransferable, nonexclusive right to use the Software in
accordance with the terms of this Agreement.

YOU MAY: (i) load the software into RAM as well as install it on a hard disk or other
storage device, and (ii) make one copy for backup purposes.

YOU MAY NOT: modify, translate, disassemble, reverse engineer, decompile, or create
derivative works based upon the Software.

Generally, the first three MAY NOT conditions you aren't going to be prosecuted for (for example, research about the DRM US court decisions that allow you to break drm for your personal use) let alone be found out, but that last condition (create derivative works) is not uncommon to be the basis for you getting your behind sued for a lot of money.

What this is called it distribution laws.

If I found out a way to remake the iPod, great. I have my own iPod, but it is illegal to distribute it.

Even if you made modifications, it still isn't your game. The idea and concept are owned by IAC. (Funny how you can SELL an idea, huh?)

We wouldn't sell the game, just make big (HUGE) modifications.

That's still under RELEASE AND that's still under the creation of derivative works. That's still illegal.

I really hate all this legal crap... not to sound epic noob, but is Project Ascent still even remotely alive? If the progress that has been made on it is still in the community's possesion, Jeff and Dobrak might be interesting in continuing it... just a thought...

PA has been dead for a long time ago .__.

That's what I thought.

Well now that we know MP is illegal.

Are you serious? I will SO take that position. I mean, if I actually knew how to code.

Well if you don't know how to code therefore CAN'T take that position, then...uh...

Amun-Ra that was a spam post... if you can't do it, no need to even post about this to begin with.